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Juan

Tom:

Has not God through Christ defeated paganism? The God of Israel is known worldwide and belief in his Son is affirmed by nearly half of the globe's population.

So if Christ has defeated paganism, would not the celebration of Christmas be, in fact, a remembrance of that victory? In other words, Christian can accept the pagan roots of Christmas but 'Christianize them,' as it were because we acknowledge the Lord's victory of them. (Romans 14:5-6, "One [man] judges one day as above another; another [man] judges one day as all others; let each [man] be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day observes it to Jehovah.")

ChrisL

@Juan: The counsel at Romans 14 is not applicable in this case. There, Paul is addressing conscience issues that Christians face in day-to-day life. "Christianizing" a pagan practice would not fall into that category! It is God's view of paganism that is paramount, not ours. If He declares it unclean, surely we cannot decide otherwise? There is a clear example of this at Exodus 32:1-8. The Israelites tried to mix an unclean pagan practice with their worship, and even went so far as to include it in a "festival to the LORD" (NIV). Note God's reaction at Exo 32:7:

"Then the LORD said to Moses, 'Go down, because your people, whom you brought up out of Egypt, have become corrupt."

Far from accepting their attempt to "cleanup" a pagan practice, God declared them to be "corrupt"! So do not be deceived by claims of "Christianizing" what God has said is unclean. See also 1 Cor 10:20-21 and 2 Cor 6:14-17

tom sheepandgoats

Juan:

If we are trying to make God in our image, then I agree with you. The paganism was long ago, the tree is pretty, the lights are bright, the children are happy.

But if we're trying to make ourselves in God's image, then we don't superimpose our feelings on him, but his on us. And the scriptures support Chris when it comes to paganism. The verses he cites are good ones. There's plenty more to show that when God defeats paganism, he removes every trace of it....he doesn't incorporate it.

Prometheantimes

I guess I see this a little differently. When I first encountered this oh-so-clever re-imagining of Schultz' work on StumbleUpon or Facebook, I dismissed it immediately for the sophomoric and misguided stab at Christianity that it is. It's childish, 'easy' and disrespectful (in full disclosure, I've been guilty of all three many times--although not as an anti-Christian antagonist, and will most likely re-offend).

The biggest question for me in this regarding the 'rightness' of it (personally, it's offensive, but fortunately, my tastes do not dictate those of the rest of the world), and that depends upon whether this is satire (such as it is) or a deliberate attempt to pass off anti-Christian propaganda as the original work of Charles Schultz.

If the latter, then I am very much against the bastardization of any artist's work (let alone that of one of the legends of comic strip art, a vastly under-appreciated and poorly-utilized artform) for the purposes of political propaganda, even for those causes which I champion.

Having said that, I don't believe the person who created this intended for it to be taken as Schultz' original work. If this is the case, then the work is satire, which is to my mind legitimate, no matter how distasteful.

I must say that prior to reading your very well-reasoned piece, I hadn't thought about the issue. Although as I said I don't BELIEVE that the author's intention was to deceive, you've certainly given me something to think about. I adore satire, but I despise liars.

Good work!

tom sheepandgoats

You are probably correct in your assessment of the creator's intent, but that doesn't mean people don't mistake it for Shultz' work, especially our people, especially the young among them. I'll let you in on a JW slice of life...

Those things said in the modified strip? They're all things that JWs have known about Christmas for close to 100 years. So the strip becomes a collection of buzzwords for us, and we go nuts over it, take it at face value, and forward it to a million of our friends.

A day after I wrote the post, I was forwarded the cartoon by another pal, (don't we have anything else to do?) who cc'd it to a couple dozen more. I answered with this post.

Though not everyone thinks it's a big deal. "The real fraud is Christmas itself," someone wrote me. I don't disagree with that.

Prometheantimes

I tend to be cynical about many things (although sometimes I surprise myself with my idealism), and try not to take anything I see on the internet at face value. Critical thinking skills are not being taught to our children, and what skills adults have, we aren't using. The emoticon is one example of this--"I'll let you know how to frame what I'm telling you--smiley, frowny, winky, etc.--so you don't have to dope it out for yourself."
I didn't realize that Schultz was so popular among JWs, but he's pretty beloved to a lot of people, so it's not a surprise. Largely, Schultz' work reflects middle-class values, and not liking Christmas (despite the legitimacy of holding such beliefs)is most definitely NOT a middle-class value.
The idea that "Christmas is a fraud," is a provocative one, and can be examined in a variety of ways. For example,I personally find some merit in the allegation that Christmas is a fraud, but probably for reasons different than your own. While I concede that the Christmas Celebration owes a great deal to pagan rituals, this doesn't diminish from my appreciation of the holiday as honoring the birth of the Savior (Whom I don't believe was born on the 25th of December). However, the increased presence of "Christmas" in stores, TV and other inescapable media coupled with the complete secularization of the holiday seems to me grotesque.

Martyn

Hi Tom,

Just wanted to say thank you for writing some great post in 2011 and pray that you continue to do the same in 2012.

Always appreciate your views and would always be pleased to see you over on my blog!

http://insidemartynsmind.blogspot.com/

tom sheepandgoats

I'll do that, Martyn. Thank you. A quick perusal of your blog shows some well-written articles there.

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