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Dancing on the Edge

You Got a Timetable on That?

Years after he went apostate on us, Vic Vomodog would walk into the hospital transfusion room, roll up his sleeve and say “fill er up!” just to show Jehovah's Witnesses what he thought of them. He authored a book....I still it see sometimes on the internet: “Forty Years Down the Toilet – My Wasted Life with Jehovah's Witnesses.” Online he's been known to log into chat rooms as Tom Puppydogs, so you have to watch out! More recently, he's somehow got his paws on a treasure trove of mundane Watchtower correspondence and he publishes each item separately on his blog as though each were a more damning indictment than the one preceding. I mean, if Jehovah's Witnesses pay their utility bill, he publishes the receipt as proof that they trust in man for power, not God. What is it with this guy?

So I contacted was probably not a good idea....they always say we ought not do it....but we used to work unitedly together at the Whitepebble Institute, and I just felt I should talk sense into him. What about the nearness of the end? I asked him. “You got a timetable on that?” he shot back.

No. I don’t. Isn’t that really what’s at the crux of everything?

We don’t get a timetable. Jesus said “keep on the watch” and “at an hour that you do not think to be it the Son of Man is coming.” Each time we’ve tried to force specificity on a prophesy we’ve been burned. And, no, it isn’t frequent. It’s happened just once in anyone’s lifetime (unless you are really really old), and even my arch-nemesis says (almost) that that time doesn't count. What we have today is a mix of prophesy confirmed by ever-deteriorating world conditions that point to a certain time period. That’s all we get.

It’s enough for Jehovah's Witnesses. We’re convinced this system is a failure and slated for replacement by God’s Kingdom. Our hearts are in that new system. We proclaim it. We even refer to it as the “real life,” applying the words of Timothy. But if your heart is with this system, all the work and practices and beliefs of those whose heart is with the one to come seem extreme, unnecessary, or even deleterious. It all depends upon where your focus is. Live a good life now, even try to reform this world, or adhere to what JWs believe is the Bible’s hope…a coming new system.

Our people tend to regard apostates as “the bogeyman,” and I sometimes wish it wasn't that way. It lends them an undeserved air of mystery. They're not mysterious at all. Their actions are very understandable. Everything lies in that verse about the slave who, bummed that the master keeps delaying, begins beating his fellow slaves. That verse never used to make much sense to me, but as I've seen the drama enacted in recent times, it now hangs together quite well.

“But if ever that evil slave should say in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,’ and should start to beat his fellow slaves and should eat and drink with the confirmed drunkards....."    Matt 24:48-49

It's in the midst of parables and prophesies (Matt 24 & 25) concerned solely with Christ's parousia ('presence', though often mistranslated 'return') Once the slave gets fed up about the master's 'delay,' he jumps ship, and then he has a lot of time to account for....years, even decades, proclaiming a message he no longer believes....wasted years, as he now sees them. What better way to account for it than to say he was misled, lied to, brainwashed? In effect, he 'beats' his fellow slaves, the ones who continue to stay the course.

So to avoid even the chance of being caught up in this outcome, ending up as a guy like Barfendogs, why not hedge your bets a little? Why not hold back? That way, if you somehow go sour on the whole Christianity thing one day, it won't be so hard to reintegrate into the world, since you never really left it in the first place. In short, why not learn, as is all the rage today, to “have your religion but keep it in its place” (which, of course, means last place)?  Wouldn't that be the practical course?

Sigh....yes, I suppose so, except that makes you lukewarm, and Jesus doesn't really like for his followers to be lukewarm. To that Laodicean congregation: “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were cold or else hot. So, because you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to vomit you out of my mouth.”   (Rev 3:15)

The smug churchy folk hate verses like this. And since, as my aforementioned nemesis breezily acknowledges, they're mostly biblically illiterate, they likely don't know about them in the first place. Which seems just fine to them, otherwise they'd go someplace where you actually learn the Bible. What they love are verses like “believe on the Lord Jesus and be saved.” Now we're talking! The easier, the better. The rest of the Bible is just so much "fine print". 

You might even liken the apostates to bad Baruchs. You remember Baruch, serving by Jeremiah's side for decades, leading up to Jerusalem's overthrow by Nebuchadnezzar. He got tired of it at one point, though, and the 45th chapter of Jeremiah is written for him:

“This is what Jehovah the God of Israel has said concerning you, O Baruch, You have said: “Woe, now, to me, for Jehovah has added grief to my pain! I have grown weary because of my sighing, and no resting-place have I found.”’“This is what you should say to him, ‘This is what Jehovah has said: “Look! What I have built up I am tearing down, and what I have planted I am uprooting, even all the land itself. But as for you, you keep seeking great things for yourself. Do not keep on seeking.”’
“‘For here I am bringing in a calamity upon all flesh,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘and I will give you your soul as a spoil in all the places to which you may go.’”  Jer 45:2-5
And Baruch proceeded to say: “You got a timetable on that?”

Oh, alright, alright.....he didn't say it! I just threw it in. Apparently he responded well to the council, for we see his name mentioned later as one of the good guys. Would that the same could be said for all his counterparts today.


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There was a Older Brother ( when I say older , I mean he probably dated Methuselah's daughter ) But he used to say to the younger Brothers ( Myself included )

" That world out there is pretty aint it ? Lotsa glitter , and gold ,......... But the Blue Jeans on yer Butt aint guaranteed you know ...."

He had a somewhat Biblical view of things me thinks !.


I just wanted to add a veritable:
to this paragraph:

"Our people tend to regard apostates as “the bogeyman,” and I sometimes wish it wasn't that way. It lends them an undeserved air of mystery. They're not mysterious at all. Their actions are very understandable. Everything lies in that verse about the slave who, bummed that the master keeps delaying, begins beating his fellow slaves. That verse never used to make much sense to me, but as I've seen the drama enacted in recent times, it now hangs together quite well."

For myself, the mystery of apostates made me research them... thats my nature, I dont like NOT knowing stuff... The more I researched them (at first- I hated them) the more I came to understand them.
You are spot on with the scripture about the evil slave! Nicely done..
That is all for now- more to come!

tom sheepandgoats


i wonder how many apostates return to the fold. Do they ever? Disfellowshipped people return all the time, of course, but I don't know of any apostates who have.

Nancy Tufo

Please define "apostate".
If it is one who has got savvy about what to believe in (the Bible) but refuses to believe every utterance of the Governing Body, you have to THINK about that!

tom sheepandgoats

It's not that.

Not all Witnesses of Jehovah believe "every utterance of the Governing Body." But they don't take a stand in opposition to it. They cooperate with it. They follow its lead. If in doubt on a point, they await to see how matters work out. They recognize the need for leadership in the Christian congregation, just as there was human leadership in the first century. (Acts 15:1 - Acts 16:5)

Such leadership is the reason that Jehovah's Witnesses have not deviated from biblical morality, whereas churches, for the most part, are indistinquishable from the world. There are upright church members, to be sure, but in no greater proportion than in the world in general.


You really hit on the nose regarding the evil slave. I never thought of apostates in that context. And I know there are many of them out there who do not want to cooperate with the governing body. It's like a boss who is trying to make a company work for the good of his employees only to be hindered but those disgruntled for various reasons.

The bible makes it clear who the faithful discreet slave are. The governing body does not make that determination. It is proven by their works and actions and doing the will of Jehovah and his son Christ Jesus.

And I say this as a former Catholic! As I tell others who tend to want to argue,or I should say accuse, prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt, and I will change my religion. No one has succeeded or they fell silent.

Kinda reminds you of the Pharisees yeah?


I think we need to come back to this topic given the study article (Sept 5-11, 2011)... personally I had no idea what the fuss was about until the internet. Apostacy and Blasphemy both baffled me, until I found out that some made a virtual career of both. Apostates dominate the web to the point that its a veritable challenge for the innocent bystander to get accurate information about us.

I couldn't help myself and sneak a peek at them, and to be honest, you're right, there is no "mystery"; they are simply annoyed the truth didn't give them what they wanted when they wanted it, and too proud to simply say, "well, ya win some you lose some" and move on. Instead they make a career of their failure and tie themselves eternally to being an "ex" instead of someone elses true love.

Their bitterness and obsession with their former companions is palpable and I don't think the Slave was wrong, in describing them as "mentally diseased". What kind of OCD impells people to constantly follow everything they claim to be well rid of? Like some psycho ex-wife, Going through our trash to see if they can find a used tissue or soiled napkin to send to the lab to analyse for .... for...? defective boogies I can only presume.

Anyway, I did need the reminder to need them be, (my fiesty, warrior woman spirit is aroused by irrational rantings) but I have learnt this is indeed a collosal waste of time and energy. As Russell put it, "You cannot stop to kick every barking dog, you never get where you're going!"

tom sheepandgoats

That Russell quote is one of my favorites.


I was taught to always carry some Beef Jerky in the case of Dogs on the loose when I was a Kid , out riding bikes that came in handy .
Both for Dogs I couldn't outrun , AND when I got hungry !!!!

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